I’ve been giving a lot of thought as to why the number of mature women I leave bars with tends to fluctuate so much, given that my game is pretty consistent. Then I looked at some of my posts about wingmen and how they can get in your way. And finally, I took note of my lay rate being considerably higher before I joined a local lair and started associating with a lot of the guys within it. If you’ve ever been in this situation, then you know that it can drive you crazy trying to figure it out. After finally putting it all together, I’ve come to the conclusion that the number of mature women that you leave bars with will have a lot to do with who you’re associated with. Not so much as to who you know, but more like who you actually are hanging around that night.

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I’ve never had any problems bringing mature women home when I was with Hollywood, Puerto Rico, or The Peacemaker when he isn’t being a complete dick to mature women. In fact, it is expected that I bring mature women home when I am with these guys. Two of the three guys game isn’t all that tight or whatever, but what I can say is that these guys are attractive and they don’t creep mature women out. In general, it is beneficial to be associating with them because mature women tend to like all three guys, even when I am nowhere to be found. Now let’s look at when I’m alone. Things are incredibly easy for me, and mature women tend to approach me. Just a week or two ago, I was in one bar, and I counted four mature women that approached me. One girl was dancing, kept staring at me, and finally brought herself to say hi to me; another girl actually called me a dick at a different bar, only to approach me and make-out with me at this bar; a third girl was standing near me, said a few words, and came and sat next to me on her own accord; and a fourth girl approached me out of nowhere to start talking to me about my shoes.

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All I did was sit there alone--without my friends--and did absolutely NOTHING. I didn’t have to approach a single girl. When I approach mature women, they make it easy for me, yet I have been having a difficult time taking them home like I use to in years past. Why is this? Why is it that my game has improved drastically, mature women don’t give me a hard time when I approach them, nor do they give me a hard time when I’m alone?

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And that’s when I put two and two together. Mature women are judging more than I thought by who I am associated with. I consider myself a high value guy simply because I know that I am tall, funny, attractive, cool, etc; but what happens is that when I am associated with certain guys, my value drops and I don’t get anything more than a phone number. When I’m alone I get the easy fast make-outs, and it’s easy for me to leave with mature women. All in all, although I might feel uncomfortable doing so, I am better off going out alone then I am with going out with low value men.

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Then what is the problem? When I’m out with low value guys, they either are VERY close to me while I’m talking to a girl, they start talking to the girl’s friends, or since I’m not a rude guy, I will introduce the girl(s) to my friends and lay back for awhile while they talk to each other. In other words, when these men are unattractive in whichever way, and they’re with me, I am guilty by association. And a few mature women have actually made comments to me about such friends of mine.

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This is just another fundamental problem with surrounding yourself with low value friends. Although an attractive guy may have a little bit of game, if he surrounds himself with guys that are unattractive and struggling with mature women, then he himself is going to have a hard time anytime that he is out associating with such men, even though he may not even realize it. When mature women see you with such men then they’re either going to associate you with low value as well and back away, or they’re going to back away because they don’t want to associate with your low value friends although you yourself may be high value.

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